Ditch Foursquare, Embrace Yelp, and Get Value From Geolocation | Aug07 |
Geolocation, we’re told, is the future of social communication. But for anyone in Ireland who has tried using Foursquare, the location app that shares where you are with friends, it has likely been an enormous disappointment. Once you get past the novelty factor, the persistent questioning of non-smartphone friends (“what’s the point of it?”) begins to make a lot of sense. After all, there really isn’t even that much of a user base. Getting right to the point, Foursquare has no purpose in this country. There are no discounts for mayorships, and no local development officers to build the community. And your friends probably aren’t getting that much value out of knowing you moved from work to home. It’s a colossal waste of time.
But there is a geolocation service that offers real value to the end user, has a dedicated user base, and is tons of fun to use. And it’s the mobile version of the popular Yelp social reviews site.
This service provides value to the user by showing them top-rated cafes, bars etc nearby, nails the social element with weekly newsletters, check-ins and and tips/comments, and, best of all, is making a genuine effort with real live people to build a community. Which knocks the competition out of the park.
I singed up to Yelp on the iPhone after a quick Google search for a good bike shop in Dublin yielded user reviews. Convinced that our tiny nation wouldn’t have any real content, I downloaded the mobile app to prove myself right. I wasn’t right. Within a minute I had read multiple user reviews of several nearby bicycle shops, and decided to try one I had never seen before (which was excellent, by the way).
There is a good sizeable chunk of content there, and it’s growing by the day. A lot of it is powered by a small group of people with a prolific output, but that’s ok: it means that the content is there for the new user to gain value from the service. Which is precisely what a lot of other services that launch in Ireland lack. Perhaps- and this might be crazy- perhaps there is an actual community officer for Dublin/Ireland? Madness, surely?
No. A few days later, I was pleasantly surprised to find this message in my e-mail inbox:
Hi Dave,
I wanted to drop you a quick note and introduce myself. I’m the Community Manager for Dublin. Just wanted to say hello!
Glad to see that you have signed up to the fun! I hope you join your fellow Dublin Yelpers in sharing opinions on the local places you love, hate, need so badly you would run red lights to get to, or can’t stand so much you would rather eat hot coals than step foot in again.
All of your diverse opinions help make up The Weekly Yelp (http://www.yelp.ie/weekly), our newsletter that highlights current happenings in and around Dublin. Each week I comb the site to find the most useful, funny, and cool reviews that give a local’s perspective on where to spend your time, money and daily caloric intake…
Finally. Someone gets it. For these types of services to work, there needs to be a person or team responsible for the growth of content in an area. That was always Foursquare’s problem. The aforementioned Annie L is one of the most prolific users on Yelp Dublin, and from what I can see she’s constantly replying to user queries in the talk pages (which are chat areas with questions about the city). Hell, that same e-mail mentioned that “elite” contributors get invited to beer pong games as a reward.
This approach deserves to get noticed. Finally, someone is showing little old Dublin a little attention. And this is god damn useful. Standing on Fishamble St and wondering where you should grab a coffee with that old friend you just bumped into? Sorted. I’d love to see this grow more and justify the company’s decision to invest in Dublin.
You’ll find me on Yelp as davemolloy, and should sign up yourself here! Now, I must go and review my local pub.
Posted by Dave Molloy in •Business •Tech
Comments:
I’m mystified by the preponderance of Irish social review geo-based websites. As well as yelp, there’s http://www.truvo.ie, http://www.whoseview.ie and http://www.ratemyarea.com –– all companies based in Ireland with the resulting Irish/Dublin focus. Whoseview are doing similar community emails to Yelp as well. (I looked into all of these for a bit of inspiration for LunchBlock).
It’s difficult for these guys to differentiate themselves from each other—so I agree that the strength of the community will be important. With so many of them, I suspect the market of people in Dublin willing to produce these reviews is split right now.
From a user’s point of view, the answer seems to be Google. Already they’re aggregating reviews from these websites in their maps results. This solves the problem of information being split across the four sources I’ve mentioned, but those sources might feel a bit miffed that they are being denied ad revenue this way and deals they might have struck with businesses aren’t mentioned either. That said, I don’t think Google wants to kill their businesses either, since the reviews are truncated and do link back.
If you include social review geo-websites focused on restaurants, and international travel websites, loads of which you’ll find in the average Google maps entry, the list grows enormously. This isn’t a business I’d like to be in by any means.
on 07 Aug 10
You’re dead right Martin: there are a lot of other operators in the Irish market. I’ve found that none of them have been overly impressive until Yelp. Download the WhoseView iPhone app for comparison and you’ll see what I mean.
Yelp has been enormously successful elsewhere and it seems that they’re trying to transplant that recipe here. I see no reason why they can’t succeed. They are the Facebook to RateMyArea’s MySpace.
Lots of contenders in a new market means most of them will drop out, but I think these guys are likely winners, simply because they understand what’s important.
on 07 Aug 10
Agree its wild west country with regard to geolocational markets!
Not to be ignored is how people research tourism online and for this Yelp is a leader.
Being female I obviously
don’t get foursquare - its all about badges and mayorships - I can see the future of these services with coupons and discounts but as yet definately in its infancy!!
on 09 Aug 10



